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		<title>By: cantstopLinnyG</title>
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		<dc:creator>cantstopLinnyG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like ap's who adopted kids from Guat, I bet every ap of a Chinese girl is saying, "Ohhh...not MY daughter." Its just a matter of time before the human trafficking in China stops. Thank God. 
 
Oh, and to PNuna, who wrote "I doubt the reputable adoption agencies would be shut down", Bwahahahahaha on that statement.  
 
You'll find as many "reputable adoption agencies" in China as there are men at the New York Met Opera house wearing jorts and a NASCAR shirt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like ap&#8217;s who adopted kids from Guat, I bet every ap of a Chinese girl is saying, &#8220;Ohhh&#8230;not MY daughter.&#8221; Its just a matter of time before the human trafficking in China stops. Thank God. </p>
<p>Oh, and to PNuna, who wrote &#8220;I doubt the reputable adoption agencies would be shut down&#8221;, Bwahahahahaha on that statement.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ll find as many &#8220;reputable adoption agencies&#8221; in China as there are men at the New York Met Opera house wearing jorts and a NASCAR shirt.</p>
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		<title>By: Proud Nuna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Proud Nuna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt the reputable adoption agencies would be shut down..now if it is a bad one,it should be closed down to protect the children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt the reputable adoption agencies would be shut down..now if it is a bad one,it should be closed down to protect the children.</p>
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		<title>By: dontknow86</title>
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		<dc:creator>dontknow86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's very sad for the family's involved. I bet it keeps going, People will do almost anything for money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very sad for the family&#8217;s involved. I bet it keeps going, People will do almost anything for money.</p>
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		<title>By: Get Real</title>
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		<dc:creator>Get Real</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If money is all these parents need to keep their kids then shouldn't the PAPs in good conscience pay the fine for the parents so they can stay together? What's $3,000 to rich North Americans. If you can't have a baby then wouldn't it be wonderful if instead you used all of your money to keep families together. It would be more rewarding than taking babies that don't belong to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If money is all these parents need to keep their kids then shouldn&#8217;t the PAPs in good conscience pay the fine for the parents so they can stay together? What&#8217;s $3,000 to rich North Americans. If you can&#8217;t have a baby then wouldn&#8217;t it be wonderful if instead you used all of your money to keep families together. It would be more rewarding than taking babies that don&#8217;t belong to you.</p>
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		<title>By: TotalRecipeHound</title>
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		<dc:creator>TotalRecipeHound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 08:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not likely in the near future.  This is because it's a cash business and the chinese are desperate for cash.

However, you can't assume that all of the available children were stolen. There are still many girl babies who are abandoned and not adopted by chinese.  My cousin just came back from a trip to china and said that there were 3 abandoned newborn babies who died after being found in the province he was in. Usually the babies are abandoned in a certain place so that they can be found by authorities, so I don't know what happened this time. My cousin's GF found one of the babies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not likely in the near future.  This is because it&#8217;s a cash business and the chinese are desperate for cash.</p>
<p>However, you can&#8217;t assume that all of the available children were stolen. There are still many girl babies who are abandoned and not adopted by chinese.  My cousin just came back from a trip to china and said that there were 3 abandoned newborn babies who died after being found in the province he was in. Usually the babies are abandoned in a certain place so that they can be found by authorities, so I don&#8217;t know what happened this time. My cousin&#8217;s GF found one of the babies.</p>
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		<title>By: Kazi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 06:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is devastating news for adoptive parents who adopted children from this province, the children and the first parents.

The offenders lost their jobs or were demoted (hardly a just punishment) but that seems to be the extent of the action.

If we are to use the Hunan scandal for reference, if any further action were to be taken it would involve ceasing adoptions from that province only and not the whole country. The only way they would halt adoptions from the whole country, was if they discovered that the corruption was widespread and as of now, the corruption seems to be within these specific officials in this one province.

Granted, one is still too many.

ETA: Corn is not food. There is no "agency". Adoptions in China are facilitated through the CCAA and the children live in orphanages in provinces throughout China. These corrupt officials work in the province linked to this orphanage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is devastating news for adoptive parents who adopted children from this province, the children and the first parents.</p>
<p>The offenders lost their jobs or were demoted (hardly a just punishment) but that seems to be the extent of the action.</p>
<p>If we are to use the Hunan scandal for reference, if any further action were to be taken it would involve ceasing adoptions from that province only and not the whole country. The only way they would halt adoptions from the whole country, was if they discovered that the corruption was widespread and as of now, the corruption seems to be within these specific officials in this one province.</p>
<p>Granted, one is still too many.</p>
<p>ETA: Corn is not food. There is no &#8220;agency&#8221;. Adoptions in China are facilitated through the CCAA and the children live in orphanages in provinces throughout China. These corrupt officials work in the province linked to this orphanage.</p>
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		<title>By: Corn is not dog food! No wheat!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corn is not dog food! No wheat!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the end of the day, adoption is big business.

Chinese government, the "agency" and plenty of other people are making millions of dollars on this venture, and they're not going to let anything get in the way of their profits.

Every so often, a story like this breaks.  Everyone makes sympathetic noises and looks the other way.  Even if they "break up the corruption", the agency just changes it's name, moves down the block, and keeps doing exactly as it was before.

Ain't adoption grand?

EDIT TO ADD:
Agencies, corrupt government officials, offices, representatives, IT'S ALL THE SAME!!!

You can roll your eyes and you can stomp your feet, but this situation is playing out all over the world, and because of the profit involved, it's never going to change.

Call it whatever you want.

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To "Get Real":
The issue is far, far more complicated than just paying the fees for having an additional "illegal" baby.  There is tremendous "peer pressure" to comply with the laws.  Friends, neighbors, and others will make life hard for anyone who "gets around" a law like this.  In Asian societies, EVERYONE obeys EVERY SINGLE LAW or there are consequences that law enforcement has nothing to do with.  People will quit talking to them, quit doing business with them, quit letting them work.  The child will also suffer.  People will be mean.  People won't let their kids play with these "bought and paid for" kids, and encourage their kids to be bullies. 
There is a chance that services will be denied to these families. Medical services, and other things are all controlled by the same corrupt governments that want to sell these babies to rich foreigners.  They don't want the situation solved.  They don't want any additional babies in these poor villages, and they want the money they'll bring in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the end of the day, adoption is big business.</p>
<p>Chinese government, the &#8220;agency&#8221; and plenty of other people are making millions of dollars on this venture, and they&#8217;re not going to let anything get in the way of their profits.</p>
<p>Every so often, a story like this breaks.  Everyone makes sympathetic noises and looks the other way.  Even if they &#8220;break up the corruption&#8221;, the agency just changes it&#8217;s name, moves down the block, and keeps doing exactly as it was before.</p>
<p>Ain&#8217;t adoption grand?</p>
<p>EDIT TO ADD:<br />
Agencies, corrupt government officials, offices, representatives, IT&#8217;S ALL THE SAME!!!</p>
<p>You can roll your eyes and you can stomp your feet, but this situation is playing out all over the world, and because of the profit involved, it&#8217;s never going to change.</p>
<p>Call it whatever you want.</p>
<p>EDIT TO ADD:<br />
To &#8220;Get Real&#8221;:<br />
The issue is far, far more complicated than just paying the fees for having an additional &#8220;illegal&#8221; baby.  There is tremendous &#8220;peer pressure&#8221; to comply with the laws.  Friends, neighbors, and others will make life hard for anyone who &#8220;gets around&#8221; a law like this.  In Asian societies, EVERYONE obeys EVERY SINGLE LAW or there are consequences that law enforcement has nothing to do with.  People will quit talking to them, quit doing business with them, quit letting them work.  The child will also suffer.  People will be mean.  People won&#8217;t let their kids play with these &#8220;bought and paid for&#8221; kids, and encourage their kids to be bullies.<br />
There is a chance that services will be denied to these families. Medical services, and other things are all controlled by the same corrupt governments that want to sell these babies to rich foreigners.  They don&#8217;t want the situation solved.  They don&#8217;t want any additional babies in these poor villages, and they want the money they&#8217;ll bring in.</p>
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